While people may privately get on quietly with their own preferences in life, this article is an affront of most of us in society. Our age-old inheritance, our culture, our Judaeo-Christian heritage means that officially, at least, the definition of a Family is not open to discussion.
Some of you might reiterate that even today, among certain off-beat sects of both Judaic and Christian cultures, there are menage a trois models and so on. Indeed, as I started, privately people may get on with their preferences.
We must bear in mind that in these seemingly lovey-dovey arrangements, invariably it is the women who get side-lined, maltreated and so on, in due course. Prudish though it may seem, I’m of the belief that if two people cannot agree to make a normal life together in the context of bringing up a family, then they needn’t do it at all.
Remember that there nigh on 7 billion people on Earth today. This selfish, egotistic, Bohemian style existence is not at all welcome at all. If people who cannot, for any reason, commit to setting up a unit with one other, they should dedicate their life to one or more of very edifying causes – whether professional, musical, artistic or whatever.
Bastardising society will only lead to some new Sodom and Gomorrah.
via Meet the polyamorists – a growing band of people who believe that more lovers equals more love – Taboos & Tolerance, Love & Sex – The Independent.
I first considered the implications of polyamory when I was in my teens. An eight-year-old girl I was baby-sitting mentioned her boyfriend, Johnny. The previous week, her boyfriend was named Kevin so I asked what happened to him. “Oh, he’s still my boyfriend,” she responded. “Johnny is just my SPARE boyfriend, you know, in case I decide to stop liking Kevin, or he moves away!” It occurred to me then, that loving more than one person had always seemed possible to me, even normal.
Fifteen years later I was living with my boyfriends, one old and one new. It felt deceptive to keep my newest partner from my family. I knew that to honor him I would have to come out to my parents.
I grew up in a family where sexuality was a bit of a paradox. Although it was a private thing, not often discussed, we had several books on ‘growing up’ and were allowed to take some scientific and fairly explicit books out of our town library to get the details. So despite the moratorium on discussion my siblings and I had a pretty clear idea of how sex and love happened and who was involved. You can imagine my apprehension when I realized that my mother’s impending visit meant coming out to her as poly sooner rather than later.
I waited until I had a captive audience as I picked her up at the airport.
“So mom, I thought you should know I’m dating Chris now.” There was a long, dramatic pause.
“You are!? What happened to Kyle?”
“No Mom, I mean I’m dating both of them.”
“In the same house! How the heck does that work?”
At a loss for words, all I could come up with was, “Magic, mom, magic.”
And looking back, sometimes I think it was.
So let’s be honest, ladies (and gents). Motherhood can do an absolute number on one’s sex drive. I’m not sure why this would have come as a surprise to anyone. Magazine covers shout it out, daytime television promises to teach us all how to rekindle the spark, and the postpartum sex books multiply like rabbits.
Why is this dip in libido so? After all, we spend lots and lots of time practicing for baby-making. And during pregnancy, well…you can’t get pregnant right? So couples are free to rut with abandon as the lush fertility hormones wash over us like a river.
But that tiny baby gets to town and man….
And frankly, it isn’t just the “right after the birth” part where the sex drive falls apart. In fact, I remember feeling entirely aroused the first few weeks after my children’s births. But I think, hormone drop and tiredness aside, there is something fundamental that shifts in a woman’s body.
Or at least mine. It was as if my body really and truly just didn’t belong to me, and as such, I felt no claim to it for pleasure. I was being drained, daily. Touched, constantly. Dripping fluids, without end. Pulled at, drooled on, needed.
Needed.
And all that need left very little tolerance for want of any kind, mine or Gander’s. My sexuality was hidden away like my skinny jeans. It didn’t fit me, not at all.
That was the physical merging into some kind of mind-bending space, and that was just the first year.
What was even more insidious, what sneaked in and ruined even more of my ability to feel sexual was this: the idea that to be a mother, meant to be not-sexual. Lemme tell you a story.
Gander and I had always had a rockin sex life. Vanilla, perhaps, but really good. And I suppose we both had toyed with more alternative fantasies, particularly when we got crushes on other folks. It so happened that around the time we conceived our first gosling, we met this very interesting couple. They were our age, but newly in love. They were gorgeous. They were passionate. They would be anyone’s fantasy of a swing night, to be quite honest. And we all got on quite well.
So this one night, not too terribly long after I’d found out I was with child, but not so far along that I looked it, we all went out to a club to go dancing. Everyone was drinking except me. The music was lovely. I was not nauseated.
At some point, Gander went off to find more liquor and I found myself being danced upon by two very hot, sexy people. The fellow in front, the lady behind. And I was all atwitter. Aflutter. Discombobulated. And aroused as all get out.
And the lady even went so far as to say to me…..I think Gander is really cute. And as Maude as my witness, all I could think was, “I’M PREGNANT FOR FUCK’S SAKE!” As if, in the 8 weeks it took to establish fetusness, all my sexuality had just been washed away by maternal glory.
I think I feigned nausea but quickly took Gander home to make the sweet sweet thinking of other people and feeling guilty about it love.
Somehow, the idea of being a mother trumped my sexuality.
I started listening, please forgive me, to Dr. L-She Who Will Not Be Named. I started thinking how much better it would be not to work. I totally lost myself in the cultural idea of Motherhood. And in that idea, there was no room for sex.
Which is ironic, come to think of it, as I feel far, far, more sensual, sexual and radical some ten years later.
But it was really being lost in the desert for a while there.
I’ll keep posting more about this….call it part three if you wish. But I think the influence of the maiden/mother/crone archetypes have been really fucked with (if you’ll pardon the pun) in America. More familiarly, Virgin/Whore or Sex Object/Mother. Unless you are a MILF. Which is a whole other issue.
For now though, don’t underestimate the impact the physical change has on women as they become mothers….and certainly don’t underestimate the psychic change being “a mother” has one women. Both those influences were double whammies on my sex life (and on Ganders).
–Submitted by Goose from Living In Outlaw Territory
A few years ago a special present came for me. It was something that we had all been talking about for a while, and I knew it was coming.
The big day came. And I opened the present and smiled and giggled and pulled it out of the box. My very own swing. For the bedroom.
“What’s that, Ama?”
“A swing that hangs from the ceiling. Adults generally use it during sex.”
“Ugh, did you really have to say that?”
“You asked.” The kids looked at it – and me – and rolled their eyes. It got put away for a while. The eye-bolt had to be put in the bedroom ceiling, which meant T had to take a trip into the attic (a trip he would take several more times when we moved).
The day finally came. The eye-bolt was installed. I sat in it (while clothed) to test it out. I swung back and forth. I spun around. It held my weight, which was a good thing. And then we noticed the children peeking around the doorway. It was quite comical really, with them pushing each other out of the way to be able to see in the room. We invited them in to see what all the fuss was about.
A couple of the kids came, saw, and left. The youngest, at the time, found it an awesome thing and wanted to go for a swing. We let him. Good times. Now, when the kids see the swing up, it’s not even worth a comment. They know their parents are kinky and have just accepted it.
There are many reasons why we chose to allow the children to see the swing. We didn’t want it to be a scary thing. We didn’t want their questions about it to go unanswered – or unasked. By letting them see the swing and what it looks like, we gave them yet one more piece of information to store for later. Yet one more piece of educational information that they will leave the house with.
If the subjects aren’t taboo – if their questions are able to be asked and answered honestly – if their thoughts and opinions are responded to in a respectful way – then they will have more confidence in themselves and their beliefs. And they will have a stronger foundation for a healthy sex life as they get older.
–Submitted by Monkey of They Belong to Us
“What is HIV?”
We had passed a city bus with an advertisement for free HIV testing on June 27, which is National HIV Testing day. And I know we have had this conversation before. But it doesn’t hurt to have it again. He turns thirteen on Saturday.
As far as we know, he isn’t too interested in the opposite sex, but he’s told us he’s straight. He’s more interested in airsoft guns, shooting black powder, and his bike. We are ok with that. But we know that these conversations are a necessary part of his education.
So I talked about HIV. And AIDS. And how these are transmitted. And how one should not do drugs. And how it’s important to use barriers when one is sexually active. And how those barriers include condoms and dental dams. And how those things protect against most STD’s. And what kinds of other STD’s are out there. And how it’s important to get tested often when one is sexually active with multiple people. And how “often” is every 3-6mos.
And how some STD’s are treatable with antibiotics, but some of them have no cure. And some of them can be passed to babies. He sat quiet, taking it all in. He asked a few questions. And then we moved on to a different subject.
I know this isn’t going to be the last time I have this conversation – with him or any of the other kids. But I am so glad that he feels comfortable asking his questions. That he knows his questions will get answered. That he knows he can come to me with these questions. It proves that I am a damn good parent.
–Submitted by Monkey from They Belong to Us
“Mom, What’s fifty-six?”
“Ah, I’m not sure what you mean.”
“I think it might be a… a…”
“Mmm-hmm?”
(Whispered) “…a sex thing…”
Long, long pause.
“Honey, do you mean sixty-nine?”
“Oh, yeah, that’s it.”
“Where did you hear about that?”
“Some kids at school…”
This is the kind of conversation one has when one has children on the verge of teenager-hood. The kind of conversation that’s easy if you’re up-tight and prudish, because you can just wash a kid’s mouth with soap or spank them or pretend you don’t understand. But when you actually talk to your kids and tell them the truth, it can be a little but complicated.
The truth. That’s the tricky part. What truth? How much?
I’m a dirty bastard. I write erotica. I know sexuality. But putting things like this into a context so it’s both understandable and appropriate; that’s difficult.
How do you explain sexuality, sensuality, to a ten year old?
Honestly though, here’s what happens when you don’t.
I had a co-worker named Suzy, long long ago when I worked at a poster store and head shop, a place connected to Tower Records. We sold bongs and rolling papers, pipes and coke mirrors. Plants and incense.
So Suzy was the honey of the crew. A little older than most of us, I was maybe 20, she was 23 or so. A suntanned California babe. A little dim, but not as dim as she acted. Not really as cute as we all thought she was, but you know, the cutest girl we actually had there with us every day. I wanted to fuck her desperately. So did most of the rest of us. And I realize now, I could have but I didn’t think to just ask.
So I wore a shirt back then, a kelly-green football jersey with a big number 69 on the back. People would comment on it, and I’d say “It was the position I played in high-school.” Some got it, some didn’t.
I used this joke on Suzy one day and got a blank stare. The sort of an embarrassed grin. She moved in close, all intimate-like, and whispered to me.
“I don’t know what that means,” she said.
“What?”
“Sixty-nine. I don’t — uh…”
She paused and looked around.
“I don’t know what it means!” she finished, lamely.
I could have said a lot of things. Now, obviously, I’d suggest that I show her. And it might have worked, for all I know. She might have let me take her in the back room and demonstrate. I certainly would have gone if it’d played that way. But then, twenty years old, I had no idea what I might have gotten away with.
So I decided to go for the prank.
“Ask your mother,” I said.
It was a couple of days later when I saw her again; one or the other of us was off shift. But her face was red when she saw me, her body language all embarrassment and irritation.
She planted a punch in my shoulder, and then started poking me.
“You! You! Y-y-y-y-y-y – YOU!” she sputtered at me.
“What?”
“You told me to ask her!”
“Ask who? What?” I’d forgotten all about it.
“You told me to ask my mother, what 69 is!”
“Ooooooohhhh yeahhhhh….”
“And I did!”
Her face was getting redder.
“And. She. Told me!”
Poor Suzy. I doubt that’s the last sexual lesson she had to learn the hard way.
It’s very important to me that my children grow up never having to say “Oh, wow, I didn’t know that.” It’s so easy to teach them, and costs so little. I want them to be the ones who can tell their peers the truth when teen-age conversation turns to adult matters. I want them to be the ones who know what STDs are, who know how you can and can’t get pregnant. I want them to know they can come to us and ask about birth control someday.
BUt still. How do you explain sixty-nine to a ten year old?
I didn’t have to, this time. The conversation above was between mother and daughter, and handled incredibly well; matter-of-factly with enough but not too much detail.
That conversation concluded, after a couple of ten-year old Eeeewwwws and Ughs, with this:
“…And I give you full permission, now that you know this, to forget it completely and pretend we didn’t have this conversation.”
Which my ten-year-old did, and went back to her homework. But now she knows she can ask a question like that and get a real answer.
I must say though, I’m waiting for the day she asks about why daddy is always kissing people who aren’t mommy. That will be an interesting conversation.
–Submitted by Karl Elvis, The Moronosphere
My Grandmother is an awesome woman. She accepted my family as it was long before my mother decided to speak to me again. In my eyes, she is a hero, just for that.
Every time we are together (she lives several hours from us) we take more pictures. And when she is the one taking pictures, she always says “Say sex, cause it’s fun!” And we all laugh about it.
She never says it when my mother is in the room, because she knows my mother would have a problem with it. But when it’s just us, she is a bit more open.
And we love her for it.
–Submitted by Monkey from They Belong To Us…
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